Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. You are using an out of date browser. I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. He must win in a direct battle. Time Stamps below to skip in game fights. 2 - He is consciously holding back and worried about the planet and those around him. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was 4 times that. Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. And everything with SPC assumes that Piccolo is slightly weaker. If … SSJ2 Gohan DID use his full power against Cell. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. So, determine all the possible answers for Gotenks power and you have your answer. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. Who would win in this fight? If Cell was almost equal he should have overpowered Gohan in an instant. If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. 31.34% (21 votes) 21. All in all, Mystic Gohan is atleast 40 times stronger than Cell Games Gohan I think people get overhyped about the allusions to his weakening since the Cell games. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. Any additions or things I missed? I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. Dangit - now I have to look stuff up to figure out this next part. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. Was he holding back? I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. A yellow aura means SSJ and lightning Sparks mean SSJ2. Gohan was losing the beam struggle tho, and Cell was still holding back his own power. Perfect Cell or Ultimate Gohan vs. Super Buu? This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. You are indeed where you belong. I believe SSJ2 Teen Gohan is significantly weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and he was still stronger than Dabura who only had a slight advantage because he used magic and Gohan was rusty. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. And I'm not 100% sure Cell would have put up a fight if half of Gohan's power wasn't missing along with his arm. He was beating him easily. I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. Gohan seems to value his life less than his family and friends and as a result I don't feel like he would ever have the opportunity to unlock his rage and get the boost effect. And yes, I love the connection to the auras. So by that logic a hypothetical ssj2 goku during cell games would also beat ssj2 teen gohan. Welcome to the forums! Gohan believes he's at half power. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. This poll is now closed. Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. Mystic Gohan was about 50% stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. gohan loses high difficulty. I think Cell attained ssj2 when he came back due to his aura. I enjoy the challenge though. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 120 Super Perfect Cell: 100 SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta: 100 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 78 SSJ Goku: 62.5 FP Perfect Cell: 50 SSJ Pre-Majin Vegeta: 50 Dabura: 45 SSJ Kid Gohan: 40 SSJ Teen Gohan: 39 Reason I put Gohan's final rage boost so high is because he managed to Kill SPC after Battle Damage reduced his Power by 50% and with only 1 hand. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. I also am a firm believer of teen gohan=kid gohan minus the rage boost I have dabura and cell as equals or in the same tier. Gohan Super Saiyan 2 VS Cell. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. However, I don't think he had enough power that he would have been able to beat Cell given Cell's skills and regeneration making him a monster when power levels are close. 6:10 -1st Cut Scene 16:45 -2nd Cut Scene 24:41 -3rd Cut Scene 36:06 -4th Cut Scene Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. Super Perfect Cell. Consider the following scenario: Gohan has just taken a senzu bean to restore all of his stamina, but Cell has returned in his Super Perfect form. "So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character". You guys missed the part where I said holding his own? I have a feeling this is gonna turn into another Cell vs Dabura war, but that's not my intention. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. People forget he was incredibly weakened with one arm and still pushed back a 100% SPC. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. Vegeta1000 8 months ago #1. Who wins? Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. Goku vs Cell isn't really telling us anything. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. 68.66% (46 votes) 46. It's not a fight but it is a story. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan vs. Super Perfect Cell (True Match-Up) Serious So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Goku possibly not comparing Dabura to a specific power level of Cell. I think Goku actually thought that he had taught Gohan to unleash it and that was why he was so eager to just let Gohan take care of it. We haven't got many other instances(if any) of characters getting hit while in a very vulnerable position. This is certainly possible. Goku's own comment about Gohan having the potential to surpass all of them present with the right motivation makes me feel that 25th Budokai Gohan probably cannot be too weak (like, I'd be surprised if he was only half as strong as his Cell Games self), which makes it harder to determine... Gohan would still be able to defeat Cell. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. His lack of experience, his personality, and the fact that Cell has many ways to survive give him a distinct advantage. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. That's very well thought out. Can Gohan still defeat Cell? While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. Super Buu himself is comparable to SS3 Gotenks, as they were practically even. 0. Dabura fought eveny however he still tought he could win. In truth, while Gohan did indeed defeat Cell in the story, there were many factors at play. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. Since SSj2's accepted multiplier is 2x SSj, both SSj2 Goku and Majin Vegeta could potentially be far greater than SSj2 Kid Gohan's level with a SSj form equal to Perfect Cell. Take a second to look at our. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. A necessary plot device to make the fight interesting as otherwise it would be a one-sided affair. Only 2 left in stock. Remember, Cell has Saiyan DNA which allows him to go SSJ. This. All of the rights and content belong to Funimation,Toei Animation, Fuji TV, Arkira Toriyama, and ABGroup. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. The way I see it is the Cell is probably somewhat stronger than Gohan at their best. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. ... DJF – Battle Wounded Son Goku vs Freeza $ 399.00 $ 285.00. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. re: Which power gap was bigger, SSJ2 Gohan vs. Join Community. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. Ah, I never considered that angle before. Doesn't mean they are in the same league. I would cautiously suggest Cell's win here. Gohan became much weaker as stated officially in the manga. 546 Anime Fans. So we really need to know how much the boost was. This is certainly possible. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. What are your thoughts on this fight? You and Mike Tyson are in the same league by DBZ standards. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. ac_98521 He messed up with 2 points though. Gohan didn't bother defending against the attack. He was losing to Cell, until Vegeta hit him while in a very vulnerable position. Mar 21, 2011 #1 Location: Cell games arena after it got blown up Mindset:Bloodlusted Restrictions: Cell can't blow himself up. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. If you have any questions, let me know. Quantity. Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! However, in regards to who would win in a straight fight, I believe SPC would actually end up winning. SPC got this. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. A good point. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. The fact that Gohan was 50% and managed to hold his own and eventually overpower Cell with his full power makes me think a fully powered Gohan would have beaten Cell comfortably. What evidence do you have that it should have been even easier? Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. Or does he loose after 7 years of peace? My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Gohan mops the floor with Cell. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Cell had both his arms and couldn't overwhelm Gohan right away and the got obliterated. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. JavaScript is disabled. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. He stated he was at half power after this. Add to Wishlist + VKH – Freeza 1st Form $ 269.00 -37%. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. IMO Yes. This is Gohan from the Cell … I DON'T OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. Super Saiyan 2 Goku was stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Cell Games Gohan. Goku later convinced him that he wasn't really down to 50% and only thought he was, which made SSJ2 Gohan put his full power (what he was using when he was beating … If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Does not guarantee his victory, but ultimately this is why I need to know how much Gohan. He still tought he could win say that Gohan has a power level in his that. A half times weaker than Gohan at full health Gohan beat him when he was down the. 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