I also felt the gun weighed too much to justify the .38’s reduced punch when fired from so short a barrel. 4.5 out of 5 stars 276. The bonus to carrying a .357 is that it can also be used with .38 Special and .38 Special +P ammo. Using a .357 for concealed carry usually conjures images of long barrel length. By the late 19th century, snubbies (the British called them “Bulldogs”) evolved with the then new double-action revolver into the form we recognize today. At 100 yards, the 158g JHP .357 retains about 67% of the energy it had when leaving the muzzle (this means 360 foot-pounds of energy with a velocity of 1,015 feet per second). I'm fairly accurate with both and in .357 mag I use Hornady CD 125gr JHP & with my .40 I use Winchester 155gr JHP. The first side of this debate says you cannot carry magnum ammunition in a revolver. If I ever go this route again, I’ll get a Model 65 with a three-inch barrel and its attendant full-length ejector. Updated, Tauruss Model 617 and Smith & Wessons latest 686 Plus are revolvers that come up big when buyers are deciding whether to carry a pistol or a wheelgun. Dubbed the “Chief’s Special,” the original Model 36 offered a carbon steel frame and cylinder, a two-inch barrel, a strong two lug locking mechanism, and a five shot cylinder. The ultimate snub nose .38 in author's opinion. In a bygone era (the mid to late 20th century) a person had just a few choices when it came to snubbies chambered for the fabled .357 Magnum. A .357 round is too long to fit in the chamber and a .38 Spl cannot withstand the pressure of the more powerful .357 Magnum round. (Yes, I know the .41 Magnum has done it, but I have yet to run into a person packing a .41 for personal protection?) Smith & Wesson joined up with the ammunition division of Winchester Repeating Arms, and by 1934, the design had been completed. However, the round isn’t limited to a revolver. It can be used in a small number of semi-auto pistols, lever-action rifles, and carbines. .357 magnum 180 gr JHP over 12.5 gr of WC820 clocks at about 1,013 fps for 410 foot pounds. Prohibition sent the United States into a tizzy. The other option lay in Charter Arms’ .44 Special Bulldog model. Here are some other things to keep in mind when choosing a .357 for CCW. For most situations, and especially in an urban setting, a solid. Again, there are good points on both sides. A revolver has the intimidation factor for the target but doesn’t overcomplicate the process with unnecessary bells and whistles. +P would be a better choice for personal defense. The design modified a .38 Special case, lengthening it by .125-inch. The .357 Magnum has been popular since its introduction in the 1930s and shows no sign of vanishing from the military, law enforcement, and/or civilian use. The sound of a .357 going off is tremendously loud, even when wearing ear protection. SERIAL NUMBER: 1079012 DESIGN: EAA of Rockledge, FL imported this 2 1/8" barrel swing-out cylinder 6-shot revolver from Germany. Cops demanded better guns and more firepower. Today, snubbies are, in the main, offered in just a few: .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and either .44 Special or .44 Magnum. It weighed less, too. Elmer Keith, Idaho rancher and firearms enthusiast, began to work on a new type of ammunition that would surpass the commonly used .38 ammo. It was first introduced in 1934 and serves as the foundation of the “Magnum Era.” Then, as now, everyone wanted more powerful ammo. It’s readily available and adaptable to many situations. We’ll start at the bottom, price wise. This side seems to have the most acceptance, and I don’t mean to suggest that this bit of conventional wisdom didn’t come from somewhere. According to Chuck Hawks recoil table, a 2.75-lb revolver firing a 125-grain load at 1220 fps generates 4.6 ft-lbs of recoil energy. Its levels of kinetic energy are enough to cause hydrostatic shock, a true benefit when a target needs to be put down. You can control it if your hands and arms are strong, you can control it, but I think that even for a strong person who is used to powerful handguns, shooting performance would be improved by using .38 +p, especially on follow-up shots. The 642 is also rated for +P ammunition so it gives a bit more thump at the business end than my old Model 36—with increased recoil, though. You could get S&W’s large N-frame with a three-inch barrel, but this gun proved big and quite heavy. For those who know, it’s easy to understand the relationship between the two cartridges. Ruger’s newer LCR comes in .357 as do several S&W J-frames, and Kimber’s new K6s offers the smoothest trigger in the segment. That means you will experience heavier recoil which can affect your accuracy. Charter Arms is still around and has improved the Bulldog. Over-engineered, all stainless steel construction meant you could carry it next to sweat soaked skin and it wouldn’t corrode. The Smith & Wesson Model 360 is a new five-shot .357 Magnum with a stainless steel cylinder and a scandium frame. What's the best option? The major motion picture, Dirty Harry, catapulted it back into the mainstream in 1971. over at Sadly the range of a .357, one of its best features, is wasted and may be a liability in an urban environment. Setting off a .357 indoors without ear protection would most certainly do damage to one’s hearing which could be permanent. Conclusion on the Ruger Redhawk .357 Magnum Snub-Nosed Revolver If I lived closer to very rugged mountainous areas populated by an array of large, potentially dangerous animals, I would make the Ruger Redhawk .357 my primary Mountain Gun and stoke it with Buffalo Bore’s ( www.buffalobore.com ) .357 Magnum Outdoorsman 180-grain Hardcast Lead Flat-Nosed solid … A secondary benefit is a shorter barrel clears a holster’s mouth quicker on the draw than a longer weapon. For the Model 360, S&W put together a list of many frequently requested features. It could digest the stoutest .357 loads as a steady diet and not shoot itself loose like some medium framed guns will. So really, the only catch preventing a .32 from being the ideal caliber for a snub nose is the lack of industry support. The concealed hammer can’t get caught on anything. Caliber:.357 Magnum/.38 Special. With some testing, this is an easy question to answer. I tend to come down on this side…mostly. Regardless the brand, snub nosed revolvers have one definitive characteristic: barrels three inches or shorter. The .357 I carry in-pocket using a Blackhawk holster. The 642 is the old Airweight Centennial (1952) but without the questionable grip safety. To push it up to 747 foot pounds we would need to go to a TMJ round over 13.8 gr of VV N110 for 1,368 fps. There is some overlap, when you consider the magnums can fire their special counterparts (but not vis-a-versa). Most snub nose revolvers on the market today are .38s. Ruger offers the Super Redhawk .44 Magnum with a two-inch barrel and their GP-100 in .44 Special. Plus, use by infamous “Son of Sam” serial killer, David Berkowitz, in the 1970s cast a pall over the Bulldog in many people’s minds. For most situations, and especially in an urban setting, a solid .38 Special +P would be a better choice for personal defense. The diminutive J-frame evolved from the company’s I-frame in 1950. There are many Ruger SP-101s, chambered in 357 Magnum, serving in just this capacity as I write these words. Law enforcement struggled to battle gangsters with their inadequate .32 and .38 double-action revolvers. Bella. Its light weight means you stash it just about anywhere on your person as either a primary or backup gun. Keep in mind that although the gun is small enough for concealed carry, it will be heavier than a typical .38 Spl. The same cannot be said for the .38. Barrel: 2.5 inches. Small, concealable wheel lock, flint lock, and percussion cap muzzle loaded pistols were quite popular in their day. Contact me here, Pick up a At the core, pros recommend a revolver to beginners or those that don’t fire guns regularly. It is Smith and Wesson’s ubiquitous J-frame. If, on the other hand, your primary area of operation is rural and wilderness, places where you are more likely to come across a mean pig or a hungry bear than you are the human variety of predators, and be outside during the encounter, the .357 Magnum with its greater power and penetration would be highly desirable. A significant advantage of the .357 Magnum over other handguns is the ability to chamber a .38 Spl cartridge, although the .38 round is shorter. Between two and two and a half inches is most common, though. Not the best to cart around tucked into a waistband when you’re in summer attire. It can also shoot through large animals and emerge on the other side with enough velocity to hurt someone else. There are other, less well known gun makers with .44 snubbies as well. It can handle the hottest .38 Special and .38 Special+P loads you care to fire through it. If you’re hunting small to medium game, a .357 has more than enough power to do the job. What are the best .38, .357, and .44 caliber snub nosed revolvers—ever? Check out popular styles like JHP and FMJ (easy to reload) from top manufacturers like Smith & Wesson, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady, Buffalo Bore, or Taurus. This snub-nose revolver is accurate and quite reliable through well over 100 rounds. It is still powerful and will provide the necessary stopping power in a home defense or self-defense situation. The tried and true Detective Special and a Rock Island model offer six shot cylinder capacity as opposed to the segment’s normal five. There is also an issue of the “us vs. them” mentality. I’ve shot a custom three-inch barrel S&W Model 57 in .41 Magnum. Prepping has come into vogue in recent years, so the opinions of the new school and old school don’t always mesh. The good news is there are so many to choose from, the bad news is it’s difficult to tell the exceptional ones. However, despite the .44 Mag.’s celebrity, the market offered few snubbies. The .357 is a flat-shooting cartridge that retains better terminal ballistics at 150 yards than most other personal defense handgun cartridges. Even with the optional, easier to shoot three-inch barrel it still took up less room in a waistband than its rivals. Download this stock image: A stainless, snub nosed 357 magnum revolver with five full metal jacket bullets next to it on a white background - WAXT53 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. Lighter, more compact guns, such as the Bulldog and M445, ramp up the .44 Special’s recoil and they intimidate some shooters. Capacity: 7 Rounds. Libertas Some people want a big bore carry gun and the market has responded. When it comes to traditional hunting, many preppers will use a .357 as a backup weapon. The Ruger brought innovative polymer frame technology to the revolver world. A .45 Magnum revolver is a sound choice in some instances but overkill in others. There is further division. Most of the other handguns that can lay claim to felling large game are generally considered to be too large and have too much recoil for practical self-defense applications. As a former S&W Model 19 owner, I can attest a 2-1/2-inch barreled .357 Magnum is a challenge to shoot. Today’s .357 Magnums are a far cry from what was available in 1935. A significant advantage of the .357 Magnum over other handguns is the ability to chamber a .38 Spl cartridge, although the .38 round is shorter. You are currently reading "357 Magnum Vs. 38 Special In Snub Nose Revolvers", entry #26359 on The Captain's Journal.This article is filed under the category(s) Firearms,Guns and was published December 10th, 2020 by Herschel Smith. So if you want a revolver that won’t jam on you at a time when it’s needed most, this just might be the one that you’ll want down the road. Law enforcement, military personnel, and Special Forces teams still use .357 Magnum handguns, mostly as backup and clutch pieces. Why do snubbies exist, anyway? The 642 is near perfect. One example of a new platform is the Smith & Wesson Model 60 5-shot revolver that was introduced in 1996. Favored as last ditch problem solvers by well-heeled gentlemen, women, lawmen, gamblers, and general riff-raff alike. A.357 Magnum revolver can chamber and shoot a.38 Special safely. 99. Yeah, I sold it. A good enough gun, but not the Smith’s equal in overall quality. After all, there aren’t many handgun cartridges that can claim to have brought down moose, elk, and grizzly bears. Smith and Wesson have their ubiquitous N-frame available with three or even one-inch tubes and now the Model 69, a five-shot L-frame, both in .44 Magnum. Their weapons simply could not penetrate the bulletproof (ballistics) vests worn by the gangsters, nor could it combat the steel and glass of the automobiles that were coming into common use. The muzzle flash is very bright in the dark and could cause temporary vision impairment. In hunting, a .45 may leave nothing behind which often defeats the purpose. In the revolver community, the argument centers on long barrel length vs. short barrel length handguns. The following year, Smith & Wesson launched the .357 Magnum Revolver. After all, there aren’t many handgun cartridges that can claim to have brought down moose, elk, and grizzly bears. In this article we aim to explain the nuances between the two different cartridges. This round is based on the earlier Smith & Wesson .38 Special cartridge. The Taurus Model 605. No ifs, ands, or buts. (It won’t go through the block of a ‘49 Buick unless you are firing steel core ammunition). Yet, the .357 Magnum has done it while remaining manageable in a personal defense sized handgun. I have a Taurus 605 .357 and a Sig .40 cal. Law enforcement, military personnel, and Special Forces teams still use. .44 caliber snub nose revolvers lay moribund for decades after World War Two. As to the .357, a lot of people reckon a pistol about the size of a 4-inch S&W N-frame or L-frame – or a similar Ruger GP100 – is about perfect. The same can be said for the mythical angry bear that invades your camp in the middle of the night. Accepts .38 Special and .357 Mag… Revolvers vs. semi-automatics. Short barrels make them easier to conceal than their long-barreled brethren. Today, snubbies are, in the main, offered in just a few: .38 Special, .357 Magnum, and either .44 Special or .44 Magnum. This means it’s going to slice like a hot knife in butter through walls and siding. No one had ever seen anything quite like it. Things have changed, though. If you are considering a .357 for a concealed carry gun, your best bet is to latch onto one of the Smith & Wesson short barrel, or J-frame models. Sharpe approached Smith and Wesson Vice President Dan Wesson with the idea of creating the new ammo. The .357 is credited with introducing the “Magnum Era.” Despite ups and downs, it remains a superior self-defense round often used by law enforcement. Is a .357 Magnum fired from a snubnose revolver really no different a standard .38 Special? Plus, you can fire it from inside a coat pocket in an emergency! It greatly depends on the firearm you put that cartridge in. In 1988, Bill Ruger stood the snub nosed .357 world on its head when his eponymous company introduced the SP-101. The .357 Magnum continues to offer a high level of stopping power. The Smith & Wesson Model 500 Emergency Survival is a large frame, 5-shot, 2.75" barrel, .500 S&W Magnum, double action revolver with blaze orange Hogue grips. At 50 yards it is only .8. In the end, it comes down to which gun meets the majority of your needs and makes you the most comfortable. It’s a tail kicker, but it has its downside. The impact of the .357 has not waned over time. Cardini Leather USA - IWB Ultra Soft Leather Holster - Concealed Carry with Clip - for S&W J Frame, S&W Models 442, 642, for Airweight 637, 638, 640 - and Other Snub Nose Revolvers in … (Sure, bears do enter camps but it’s usually because they are hungry, not angry. The runners up in this segment are the Ruger LCR, the classic Colt Detective Special, the new Colt Cobra, various Taurus models, some from Rock Island Arsenal, and Rossi, to name a few. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Over-penetration is a definite possibility. The three men pooled their talents. Some complain the factory trigger is a bit heavy, but if you carry it in a pocket or handbag, you’ll appreciate the extra safety margin this provides. The .44 snub noses present unique challenges for designers and shooters both. Author's pick for best .357 Magnum snub nose. This profile makes the snub revolvers extremely easy to keep hidden, and with options in caliber ranging from 22LR to 357 Magnum and more, powerful … Based on this metric, the S&W Model 69 is the best in the lot. Get Cheap .357 Magnum Ammunition Online. Most of the other handguns that can lay claim to felling large game are generally considered to be too large and have too much recoil for practical self-defense applications. The muzzle flash is very bright in the dark and could cause temporary vision impairment. In my experience, the triggers lighten up a bit as they are used, and some basic practice will let you master what is still a smooth, even, pull. It’s difficult to pigeonhole the type of weapon preferred by all preppers. The 1920s launched an era that would change firearms history forever. The .357 Magnum was a different story altogether: 14 of the 20 loads met FBI standards with 5 out of 5 expansion, and 9 of those loads gave the recommended 150% expanded diameter. An issue with .357 Magnum ammo is its penetration. new in 2020 - semi bright stainless steel finish, walnut grips, capacity 6, red ramp front sight, adjustable rear sight. This means that the .357 Magnum snubnose gives its owner 4-4.5 times the choice of suitable defensive ammunition that the .38 only revolver gives! A current variation of the hammerless snub is this M&P in .357 Magnum and with a Crimson Trace laser. This reduces time to target, and in gun fights, milliseconds often separate the living from the dead. It took a while, but Smith got the formula right when they debuted the alloy-framed, steel cylinder Model 642 in the 1990s. For as little recoil as the .32 Long and H&R Magnum deliver, this is impressive ballistic performance. There is little dispute that the .357 Magnum works. Proper training is key to find the gun and ammo that are right for you. © 2011 - www.snubnose.info - No part of this site may be copied or reproduced without permission. Once a popular bore size, and epitomized by the .44 Special, it fell on hard times until the .44 Remington Magnum hit the scene. The goal was to hit a muzzle velocity of 1,400 feet per second (FPS) using a 150g bullet. This is a first for Kimber, who is mostly known for their 1911s, but the K6s now has them competing with other small, steel frame revolvers like the Ruger SP101, the Smith & Wesson J-frames, and, as of last week, the new Colt Cobra. Follow-up shots could be difficult or at least slower as the shooter struggles to regain control of the gun after the recoil. Tough question, there are and have been so many good ones. These “bulldog revolvers” have a frame size that is easy to handle but feature a short barrel, usually 3 inches or less. A snub-nosed revolver is the most elusive concealed carry weapon in existence and has a history that proves it’s worth its weight in gold. Semi-autos share the intimidation factor, have higher capacity, are readily available in more styles, and offer many of those bells and whistles. This can be said about all the .44 Magnum snubbies, the Tracker and S&W’s scandium offerings in particular. During the Korean and Vietnam wars the 357 Magnum served its home country with distinction. Doing so can cause a misfire, jam, damage the gun, or worse, injure the shooter. The gun did have some short comings—which lead me to sell it. These are serious considerations that should be weighed before adopting the .357 Magnum as a carry load. It’s simply too heavy and too large to carry in an ankle holster or tuck into a pocket or purse. Its levels of kinetic energy are enough to cause hydrostatic shock, a true benefit when a target needs to be put down. Wesson saw the need for the new round and jumped on board. It was originally introduced for large-frame guns. This allows .357 users to load the lighter ammo, save money at the range, and enjoy the benefits of lighter recoil and less muzzle flash. The fact it can shoot either specials or magnums gives it a versatility which the dedicated .44 Special guns do not possess. Taurus has several .44s suitable for carry, in particular the Tracker and M445. Revolver T-Shirt Its more controllable for follow-up shots, less prone to over-penetration, and less damaging to the sensory organs. Regardless of which camp you’re in, the revolver or semi-auto camp, there is a .357 Mag ammo to fit your needs. There is a good chance of overpenetration and collateral damage if used in the home or other tight spaces. 4.5 out of 5 stars 13 The .357 Magnum cartridge is a revolver round with a .357 inch bullet diameter. The pressure of a .357 is significantly stronger than a .38 Special. About a year ago, Kimber announced that they would be producing a .357 magnum 2-inch barreled snub nose revolver called the K6s. $21.99 $ 21. Good points can be made on both sides. The .357 Magnum cartridge can generate almost double the recoil energy in a lighter pistol. (It won’t go through the block of a ‘49 Buick unless you are firing steel core ammunition). The gun couldn’t compete with the original since it could only shoot bullets 125g or less. For the most part, you picked either a K-frame Smith & Wesson, such as the Model 19, or Colt’s magnificent Python. Snub nosed revolvers have been produced in almost every handgun caliber ever invented. The little steel frame Taurus Model 85 is a snub-nosed revolver that holds 5 rounds. The, would be a good example. Over-penetration is a definite possibility. It was first designed with a 158-grain semi-jacketed soft point( flat) bullet. Semi-automatic pistols have a higher capacity and faster reloading times. Fortunately, newer styles don’t have such limitations. It was discovered in the Korean War that the 357 Magnum was especially effective against combat body armor worn by the Communist Chinese. Some believe that semi-autos are more powerful than a .357 Mag, but that’s not necessarily true. In the past decade the .44 Special has risen from the ashes. These are serious considerations that should be weighed before adopting the .357 Magnum as a carry load. It can also shoot through large animals and emerge on the other side with enough velocity to hurt someone else. Still firing one-handed but using the sights, I fired five-rounds at 15 yards on a bullseye target. Since more of the bullet’s mass is outside the cartridge, there is more ro… A normal 158g .357 hollowpoint can penetrate about a yard in ballistic gelatin. Illegal gin mills, moonshiners, bootleggers and speakeasies secretly fought against the new law, refusing to be forced into a dry nation. The 2- to 3-inch barrel makes the gun easy to handle and carry. The .357 Magnum continues to offer a high level of stopping power. Seven-Shot Snub-Nosed .357 Magnums: Taurus, Smith Go At It. Think enough muzzle blast to induce a migraine, muzzle flash akin to a flamethrower, and ballpeen hammer recoil. The trigger is pretty good, to boot. They are, as a rule, built on a gun maker’s smallest revolver platform so they are the most concealable snubbies available. My guess is a similar size and weight .44 Mag. A normal 158g .357 hollowpoint can penetrate about a yard in ballistic gelatin. These are all fine revolvers. Snubbies have been around since handguns were first developed. would prove just as manageable as the .41 if stuffed with moderate 185 or 200 grain loads. An old fashioned rifle may be a better bet if you’re going up against big game. I once owned a blue steel Model 36. The large frame guns are less than comfortable to carry concealed all day, but they offer the best shooting dynamics when stuffed with .44 Specials. S&W .357 Magnum Snub Nose Need to Know. Snub Nose Revolver from Cordier Auctions & Appraisals on Invalid date EDT. This ammo has diverse use ranging from target shooting to self-defense and hunting. Smith and Wesson Model 642. The undersized ejector rod wouldn’t always free stubborn spent cases, either. J-frames are so small, even the heavier all steel guns are a bit snappy to shoot with standard pressure .38s. Creative Commons License_No Attribution_Free to Use. Ruger SP-101. I'd either carry the .357 with a speed loader backup or the Sig with just my 13+1 magazine. Its medium frame and five-shot cylinder allow it to carry as well as a big bore can, yet it has enough heft to dampen recoil. With its … This stainless steel revolver is about as classic as you can get. 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